tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post563733111559206670..comments2024-03-01T03:16:14.116+00:00Comments on Another Green World: Last act in Iraq?Derek Wallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05462511891409913195noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-62486628181962728322007-10-03T10:18:00.000+00:002007-10-03T10:18:00.000+00:00"I'm full square behind Blair.I find your happines..."I'm full square behind Blair.<BR/><BR/>I find your happiness that a bunch of murdering sectarian nut jobs and out and out terrorists like Al Qaeda might obtain power in Iraq appalling. Just how peaceful are they going to be?<BR/><BR/>"We should be supporting Iraqi democrats. That means opposing murderous filth who set off car bombs in markets and who abduct and murder trade unionists. It's Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-48497328931520316642007-06-07T11:00:00.000+00:002007-06-07T11:00:00.000+00:00This is an extraordinary advert for Green lucidity...This is an extraordinary advert for Green lucidity. If you're on homeopathy you need to just tweak the 'dose' up a bit. Or you could just go and lie down in a darkened room for a month.<BR/><BR/>[aside]Delighted that your readers overwhelmingly believe that oil will never run out. I voted that it will run out this year because I thought that'd really show you Greenies what's what.<BR/><BR/>But I Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-60099273137972841212007-06-05T23:11:00.000+00:002007-06-05T23:11:00.000+00:00"I guess they will be calling Chavez a dictator an..."I guess they will be calling Chavez a dictator and calling for democracy in Venezuela."<BR/><BR/>No, I'm sure the 75% of people who didn't vote during Venezuela's 2005 elections love living in a country where one man can rule by decree and there no opposition parties are represented in the legislature. Because that's the definition of democracy. Oh, wait...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-85394606931431763602007-06-05T17:52:00.000+00:002007-06-05T17:52:00.000+00:00Point of order: those who actually funded and arme...Point of order: those who actually funded and armed Saddam were China, France and Russia - coincidentally those countries most opposed to humanitarian intervention. This information comes from those well-kknown neocon shills, the Stockhom International Peace Research Institute.<BR/><BR/>France deserves particular criticism, for giving Saddam nuclear technology and expertise.<BR/><BR/>However, I triangularbreadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07458001405770282258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-65257324351098058912007-06-02T08:22:00.000+00:002007-06-02T08:22:00.000+00:00Ok, so they didn't do well in the elections. Presu...Ok, so they didn't do well in the elections. Presumably you were supporting the Blairite candidates who came away with a magnificent 27% of the vote in England - slightly lower in percentage terms than achieved under Michael Foot, and on a much more right-wing platform too? <BR/><BR/>Gooooo mass party of the working class! :DVoltaire's Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09696198341458705695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-34690710153060324262007-06-01T08:56:00.000+00:002007-06-01T08:56:00.000+00:00I like the (snide)remark about the (fake)Greens be...I like the (snide)remark about the (fake)Greens being a powerhouse.<BR/>Indeed, they won just one seat in the north of England (in Mr. Blunkett's Sheffield)and lost 5 valuable seats in Scotland's Parly, where they have no council seats outside Glasgow & Edinburgh.Presumavly being afraid of the countryside.Novlanguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16914568759795897145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-29025875266332889552007-05-31T21:50:00.000+00:002007-05-31T21:50:00.000+00:00I'm full square behind Blair.I find your happiness...I'm full square behind Blair.<BR/><BR/>I find your happiness that a bunch of murdering sectarian nutjobs and out and out terrorists like Al Qaeda might obtain power in Iraq appalling. Just how peaceful are they going to be?<BR/><BR/>We should be supporting Iraqi democrats. That means opposing murderous filth who set off car bombs in markets and who abduct and murder trade unionists. It's really Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-71389588965450287222007-05-31T11:03:00.000+00:002007-05-31T11:03:00.000+00:00Compromise, you do compromise?! And I thought you...Compromise, you do compromise?! And I thought you said being green was all "very simple"?<BR/><BR/>Open source software will do nothing to help those who build the hardware you smug nitwit...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-89683014731470373612007-05-31T10:03:00.000+00:002007-05-31T10:03:00.000+00:00'If that party has been taken over by a bunch of n...'If that party has been taken over by a bunch of neo-liberal warmongers, well that's partly my responsibility, but I'm not going to shirk that responsibility.'<BR/><BR/>is certainly a bit more convincing to those of us who fear 'that most labour party members have become Tony Blair's willing executioners'.<BR/><BR/>The vast majority of labour party members have shirked the responsibilty, which isDerek Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05462511891409913195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-77881901100060051582007-05-31T09:40:00.000+00:002007-05-31T09:40:00.000+00:00Gosh Derek how can you bring yourself to use this ...Gosh Derek how can you bring yourself to use this product of the 'military-industrial complex' to spread your noble message? Don't your hands freeze on your keyboard at the thought of all those children whose lives you have deliberately shortened by using the products of capitalist run sweat shops? Or were your computer and all those by means of which this blog can be read hand knitted?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-41515166950537207922007-05-31T09:38:00.000+00:002007-05-31T09:38:00.000+00:00I'm sorry Derek, but I'm not leaving the Labour Pa...I'm sorry Derek, but I'm not leaving the Labour Party.<BR/><BR/>It would be very easy to just opt out, join the Green Party (or more probably not) and smile a smug middle-class smile at not having any responsibility for the carnage in Iraq. But in fact, stopping war is the respon sibility of us all.<BR/><BR/>So I'm going to stay where what I say and do can have the most effect. I happen to Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03070072244226235509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-27591430021127986642007-05-30T15:03:00.000+00:002007-05-30T15:03:00.000+00:00It would be nice to have seen some action to boot ...It would be nice to have seen some action to boot out Labour MPs who voted for war or see the Labour grass roots revolt against the BAE scandal.<BR/><BR/>At least in the 1970s the Labour government didn't actually go into Vietnam with the US.<BR/><BR/>Believe you me all radicals would love to see members of the Labour Party making a noise on peace, justice and the environment.<BR/><BR/>You seem Derek Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05462511891409913195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-28849276539726669852007-05-30T14:38:00.000+00:002007-05-30T14:38:00.000+00:00appreciate*appreciate*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-86298601686131062942007-05-30T14:37:00.000+00:002007-05-30T14:37:00.000+00:00I'm sure my £12pa was absolutely vital to Blair's ...I'm sure my £12pa was absolutely vital to Blair's plans for war. Especially as we all know that Prime Minister Duncan Smith would have been right out there on the streets of London with the rest of us in 2003 protesting the US invasion. It must be this astute sense of politics which has made the Green Party such a powerhouse in England and Wales.<BR/><BR/>Derek, I think you'll find the 'ordinary Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-80495486493630345232007-05-30T14:20:00.000+00:002007-05-30T14:20:00.000+00:00For all I know you might vote George Bush any way ...For all I know you might vote George Bush any way and be happy to support Gordon Brown when he supports Bush and bombs Tehran.Derek Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05462511891409913195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-30277575978871191032007-05-30T14:15:00.000+00:002007-05-30T14:15:00.000+00:00Congratulations. I'll not be voting Green in Europ...Congratulations. I'll not be voting Green in European elections any further.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-44156171446473895412007-05-30T13:29:00.000+00:002007-05-30T13:29:00.000+00:00I think it is fair to say that there is a lot of a...I think it is fair to say that there is a lot of anger and yes of course, the 'extraordinary' minority of Labour Party members who worked for John McDonnell deserve our thanks.<BR/><BR/>My fear is the if Iraq is Vietnam, Iran could be the next Cambodia.<BR/><BR/>It probably doesn't do any good to get angry about the average Labour Party member....but one feels that diplomacy is dead.Derek Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05462511891409913195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-19528954626762284292007-05-30T10:23:00.000+00:002007-05-30T10:23:00.000+00:00We all share the blame for Iraq. I went on the 1/1...We all share the blame for Iraq. I went on the 1/1.5/2 million strong march and wrote emails and letters to those who I thought might be able to put a stop to it. When our country joined the neocon invasion I felt trembly and sick going to work, like I'd just heard a close friend had died.<BR/><BR/>What did I do? Not much. Wrote some more letters, got a bit fatalistic that that massive, historic Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-83355801804973770632007-05-30T09:35:00.000+00:002007-05-30T09:35:00.000+00:00Donpaskini - well said.Unfortunately Mr Wall doesn...Donpaskini - well said.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately Mr Wall doesn't do debate as he doesn't have any answers.Novlanguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16914568759795897145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-24036053938545428292007-05-30T09:06:00.000+00:002007-05-30T09:06:00.000+00:00Hi Derek,I'm a Labour activist who has in the past...Hi Derek,<BR/><BR/>I'm a Labour activist who has in the past worked closely with the Greens, both on campaigns and in the council. I can't understand what you think this diatribe might achieve.<BR/><BR/>What we need is for people, regardless of their party affiliation, to work together on common causes, be it Iraq, climate change or whatever. There are more people who campaigned against the donpaskinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05963534291677598324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-57293485709783021952007-05-30T06:13:00.000+00:002007-05-30T06:13:00.000+00:00The ordinary concerned Labour Party member has all...The ordinary concerned Labour Party member has allowed the party to become a prop for the military-industrial complex.<BR/><BR/>I am not sectarian, merely very angry.Derek Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05462511891409913195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25556312.post-4136219669239402092007-05-29T22:58:00.000+00:002007-05-29T22:58:00.000+00:00The ordinary concerned Labour member: done nothing...The ordinary concerned Labour member: done nothing more nor nothing less than the average Green to prevent this. We were on the anti-war marches alongside you. We disrupt the EXCeL conferences alongside you. We are at Faslane and the G8 alongside you. We struggle alongside you, and if you don't know we're left Labour, then that's because it's hardly a badge of pride at the moment. <BR/><BR/>The John Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17497399766612758001noreply@blogger.com